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	<title>Comments on: Madcap Flare Review: 45 Things I Love About Flare, 31 Things I Hate About It</title>
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		<title>By: Tana</title>
		<link>http://www.idratherbewriting.com/2008/01/31/45-things-i-love-about-flare-31-things-i-hate-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-135188</link>
		<dc:creator>Tana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, may I email you a screenshot of my outline TOC, to which I added annotations explaining what is linked to what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, may I email you a screenshot of my outline TOC, to which I added annotations explaining what is linked to what?</p>
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		<title>By: Tana</title>
		<link>http://www.idratherbewriting.com/2008/01/31/45-things-i-love-about-flare-31-things-i-hate-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-135187</link>
		<dc:creator>Tana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Tom, and thanks for your help! I should state upfront that when I select PDF as my output, the MIniTOcs appear, but not when I select Frame.

Bear with me, but I am stil unsure of what to do with that Y topic. I have it linked to a &quot;book&quot; entry in the outline TOC. (Actually, my structure looks exactly like the picture MadCap provides in it&#039;s Help topic on creating MiniTocs.)

What I have currently is this: 

--an outline TOC (AdminToc)with the topics I want to include in the printed output. The &quot;book&quot; topic for each of the three chapters is linked to an intro.htm file, with the MiniTOC proxy in it (my &quot;y&quot; page). beneath each chapter are other topics (also H1s), but indented in the outline TOC.

--an .htm file with the TOC Proxy in it, called AdminGuideTOCProxy.htm. In my TOC outline file, the entry &quot;Table of Contents&quot; is linked to this .htm file.

--three .htm files, called AdminIntroChap1.htm. These are intended to be my Y pages, containing both the MIniTOC proxy and an intro page to the chapter, with the sentnece &quot;This chapter contains the following sections...&quot;


I am hoping you can look at the set of building blocks I have created so far (the files described above) and tell me how I am putting them together wrong.

Also, I have not yet applied those style sheet settings that you kindly sent... could this be the issue and not my &quot;building blocks&quot;? let me know if so and I will go edit my stylesheet now and rebuild.

And I REALLY appreciate your help... ;-)

tana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tom, and thanks for your help! I should state upfront that when I select PDF as my output, the MIniTOcs appear, but not when I select Frame.</p>
<p>Bear with me, but I am stil unsure of what to do with that Y topic. I have it linked to a &#8220;book&#8221; entry in the outline TOC. (Actually, my structure looks exactly like the picture MadCap provides in it&#8217;s Help topic on creating MiniTocs.)</p>
<p>What I have currently is this: </p>
<p>&#8211;an outline TOC (AdminToc)with the topics I want to include in the printed output. The &#8220;book&#8221; topic for each of the three chapters is linked to an intro.htm file, with the MiniTOC proxy in it (my &#8220;y&#8221; page). beneath each chapter are other topics (also H1s), but indented in the outline TOC.</p>
<p>&#8211;an .htm file with the TOC Proxy in it, called AdminGuideTOCProxy.htm. In my TOC outline file, the entry &#8220;Table of Contents&#8221; is linked to this .htm file.</p>
<p>&#8211;three .htm files, called AdminIntroChap1.htm. These are intended to be my Y pages, containing both the MIniTOC proxy and an intro page to the chapter, with the sentnece &#8220;This chapter contains the following sections&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I am hoping you can look at the set of building blocks I have created so far (the files described above) and tell me how I am putting them together wrong.</p>
<p>Also, I have not yet applied those style sheet settings that you kindly sent&#8230; could this be the issue and not my &#8220;building blocks&#8221;? let me know if so and I will go edit my stylesheet now and rebuild.</p>
<p>And I REALLY appreciate your help&#8230; <img src='http://www.idratherbewriting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>tana</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tana, 

4.0 offers the mini-TOC for print now as well as online. Here&#039;s more detail about how to get the Mini-TOC feature to work.

In your folder of topics (your help book), create a new topic (I&#039;ll refer to it as Y) and go to Insert &gt; Proxy &gt; Insert Mini-TOC Proxy. Now here&#039;s the catch: In the table of contents for your target, don&#039;t include the Y topic. If you do, the Mini-TOC won&#039;t appear. 

Also, if you try specifying different depth levels in the Mini-TOC proxy, you might get an error -- I&#039;m not sure. I&#039;d just leave it as the default.

As far as styling your Mini-TOC, I&#039;ll show you what I use. You can pretty much copy this (except for the little graphic) directly into your stylesheet. I know I have some overlap with the default and online and print styles, but I&#039;m too lazy to go through and remove the overlap. It&#039;s working, and I simply left it as is.

Default (top) section of stylesheet:

MadCap&#124;miniTocProxy
{
	background-image: url(&#039;../Images/toolboxbg.jpg&#039;);
	background-repeat: repeat-x;
	background-color: #e8e6da;
	padding-left: 30px;
	padding-right: 10px;
	background-position: top left;
	border: solid 1px #ccc9be;
	margin-top: 0px;
	padding-top: 5px;
	width: 375px;
	padding-bottom: 10px;
}

p.MiniTOC1
{
	display: list-item;
	list-style-type: none;
	background-image: url(&#039;../Images/Topic.gif&#039;);
	background-position: center left;
	padding-left: 20px;
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
	font-weight: normal;
	margin-top: 0px;
	margin-bottom: 6px;
}

p.MiniTOC2
{
	display: list-item;
	list-style-type: none;
	background-image: url(&#039;../Images/Topic.gif&#039;);
	background-position: center left;
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
	font-weight: normal;
	margin-top: 0px;
	margin-bottom: 6px;
	padding-left: 20px;
	margin-left: 35pt;
}

p.MiniTOC3
{
	display: list-item;
	list-style-type: none;
	background-image: url(&#039;../Images/Topic.gif&#039;);
	background-position: center left;
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
	font-weight: normal;
	margin-top: 0px;
	margin-bottom: 6px;
	padding-left: 20px;
	margin-left: 70pt;
}


Online section of stylesheet

MadCap&#124;miniTocProxy
	{
		background-image: url(&#039;../Images/toolboxbg.jpg&#039;);
		background-repeat: repeat-x;
		background-color: #e8e6da;
		padding-left: 30px;
		padding-right: 10px;
		background-position: top left;
		border-top: solid 1px #ccc9be;
		margin-top: 0px;
		padding-top: 5px;
		width: 375px;
	}

	p.MiniTOC1
	{
		display: list-item;
		list-style-type: none;
		background-image: url(&#039;../Images/Topic.gif&#039;);
		background-position: center left;
		padding-left: 20px;
		background-repeat: no-repeat;
		font-weight: normal;
		margin-top: 0px;
		margin-bottom: 6px;
	}

	p.MiniTOC2
	{
		display: list-item;
		list-style-type: none;
		background-image: url(&#039;../Images/Topic.gif&#039;);
		background-position: center left;
		background-repeat: no-repeat;
		font-weight: normal;
		margin-top: 0px;
		margin-bottom: 6px;
		padding-left: 20px;
		margin-left: 35pt;
	}

	p.MiniTOC3
	{
		display: list-item;
		list-style-type: none;
		background-image: url(&#039;../Images/Topic.gif&#039;);
		background-position: center left;
		background-repeat: no-repeat;
		font-weight: normal;
		margin-top: 0px;
		margin-bottom: 6px;
		padding-left: 20px;
		margin-left: 70pt;
	}

	a.MiniToc1
	{
		color: #720000;
		text-decoration: none;
	}

	a.MiniToc2
	{
		color: #720000;
		text-decoration: none;
	}

Print section of stylesheet

p.MiniTOC1
	{
		mc-leader-offset: 0pt;
		color: #686865;
		font-size: 14px;
		line-height: 10pt;
		margin: 0;
		padding-left: 0px;
		width: 100%;
		margin-left: 80px;
		margin-bottom: 6px;
	}

	p.MiniTOC2
	{
		mc-leader-offset: 0pt;
		color: #686865;
		line-height: 10pt;
		margin-bottom: 6px;
		margin-top: 0px;
		font-size: 14px;
		margin-left: 125px;
	}

	MadCap&#124;miniTocProxy
	{
		color: #686865;
		margin-top: 6px;
		margin-left: 100px;
		background-image: url(&#039;../Images/toolboxbg.jpg&#039;);
		background-repeat: repeat-x;
		background-color: #e8e6da;
		padding-left: 30px;
		padding-right: 10px;
		background-position: top left;
		border-top: solid 1px #ccc9be;
		border-bottom-width: 1px;
	}


Let me know if this works for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tana, </p>
<p>4.0 offers the mini-TOC for print now as well as online. Here&#8217;s more detail about how to get the Mini-TOC feature to work.</p>
<p>In your folder of topics (your help book), create a new topic (I&#8217;ll refer to it as Y) and go to Insert > Proxy > Insert Mini-TOC Proxy. Now here&#8217;s the catch: In the table of contents for your target, don&#8217;t include the Y topic. If you do, the Mini-TOC won&#8217;t appear. </p>
<p>Also, if you try specifying different depth levels in the Mini-TOC proxy, you might get an error &#8212; I&#8217;m not sure. I&#8217;d just leave it as the default.</p>
<p>As far as styling your Mini-TOC, I&#8217;ll show you what I use. You can pretty much copy this (except for the little graphic) directly into your stylesheet. I know I have some overlap with the default and online and print styles, but I&#8217;m too lazy to go through and remove the overlap. It&#8217;s working, and I simply left it as is.</p>
<p>Default (top) section of stylesheet:</p>
<p>MadCap|miniTocProxy<br />
{<br />
	background-image: url(&#8216;../Images/toolboxbg.jpg&#8217;);<br />
	background-repeat: repeat-x;<br />
	background-color: #e8e6da;<br />
	padding-left: 30px;<br />
	padding-right: 10px;<br />
	background-position: top left;<br />
	border: solid 1px #ccc9be;<br />
	margin-top: 0px;<br />
	padding-top: 5px;<br />
	width: 375px;<br />
	padding-bottom: 10px;<br />
}</p>
<p>p.MiniTOC1<br />
{<br />
	display: list-item;<br />
	list-style-type: none;<br />
	background-image: url(&#8216;../Images/Topic.gif&#8217;);<br />
	background-position: center left;<br />
	padding-left: 20px;<br />
	background-repeat: no-repeat;<br />
	font-weight: normal;<br />
	margin-top: 0px;<br />
	margin-bottom: 6px;<br />
}</p>
<p>p.MiniTOC2<br />
{<br />
	display: list-item;<br />
	list-style-type: none;<br />
	background-image: url(&#8216;../Images/Topic.gif&#8217;);<br />
	background-position: center left;<br />
	background-repeat: no-repeat;<br />
	font-weight: normal;<br />
	margin-top: 0px;<br />
	margin-bottom: 6px;<br />
	padding-left: 20px;<br />
	margin-left: 35pt;<br />
}</p>
<p>p.MiniTOC3<br />
{<br />
	display: list-item;<br />
	list-style-type: none;<br />
	background-image: url(&#8216;../Images/Topic.gif&#8217;);<br />
	background-position: center left;<br />
	background-repeat: no-repeat;<br />
	font-weight: normal;<br />
	margin-top: 0px;<br />
	margin-bottom: 6px;<br />
	padding-left: 20px;<br />
	margin-left: 70pt;<br />
}</p>
<p>Online section of stylesheet</p>
<p>MadCap|miniTocProxy<br />
	{<br />
		background-image: url(&#8216;../Images/toolboxbg.jpg&#8217;);<br />
		background-repeat: repeat-x;<br />
		background-color: #e8e6da;<br />
		padding-left: 30px;<br />
		padding-right: 10px;<br />
		background-position: top left;<br />
		border-top: solid 1px #ccc9be;<br />
		margin-top: 0px;<br />
		padding-top: 5px;<br />
		width: 375px;<br />
	}</p>
<p>	p.MiniTOC1<br />
	{<br />
		display: list-item;<br />
		list-style-type: none;<br />
		background-image: url(&#8216;../Images/Topic.gif&#8217;);<br />
		background-position: center left;<br />
		padding-left: 20px;<br />
		background-repeat: no-repeat;<br />
		font-weight: normal;<br />
		margin-top: 0px;<br />
		margin-bottom: 6px;<br />
	}</p>
<p>	p.MiniTOC2<br />
	{<br />
		display: list-item;<br />
		list-style-type: none;<br />
		background-image: url(&#8216;../Images/Topic.gif&#8217;);<br />
		background-position: center left;<br />
		background-repeat: no-repeat;<br />
		font-weight: normal;<br />
		margin-top: 0px;<br />
		margin-bottom: 6px;<br />
		padding-left: 20px;<br />
		margin-left: 35pt;<br />
	}</p>
<p>	p.MiniTOC3<br />
	{<br />
		display: list-item;<br />
		list-style-type: none;<br />
		background-image: url(&#8216;../Images/Topic.gif&#8217;);<br />
		background-position: center left;<br />
		background-repeat: no-repeat;<br />
		font-weight: normal;<br />
		margin-top: 0px;<br />
		margin-bottom: 6px;<br />
		padding-left: 20px;<br />
		margin-left: 70pt;<br />
	}</p>
<p>	a.MiniToc1<br />
	{<br />
		color: #720000;<br />
		text-decoration: none;<br />
	}</p>
<p>	a.MiniToc2<br />
	{<br />
		color: #720000;<br />
		text-decoration: none;<br />
	}</p>
<p>Print section of stylesheet</p>
<p>p.MiniTOC1<br />
	{<br />
		mc-leader-offset: 0pt;<br />
		color: #686865;<br />
		font-size: 14px;<br />
		line-height: 10pt;<br />
		margin: 0;<br />
		padding-left: 0px;<br />
		width: 100%;<br />
		margin-left: 80px;<br />
		margin-bottom: 6px;<br />
	}</p>
<p>	p.MiniTOC2<br />
	{<br />
		mc-leader-offset: 0pt;<br />
		color: #686865;<br />
		line-height: 10pt;<br />
		margin-bottom: 6px;<br />
		margin-top: 0px;<br />
		font-size: 14px;<br />
		margin-left: 125px;<br />
	}</p>
<p>	MadCap|miniTocProxy<br />
	{<br />
		color: #686865;<br />
		margin-top: 6px;<br />
		margin-left: 100px;<br />
		background-image: url(&#8216;../Images/toolboxbg.jpg&#8217;);<br />
		background-repeat: repeat-x;<br />
		background-color: #e8e6da;<br />
		padding-left: 30px;<br />
		padding-right: 10px;<br />
		background-position: top left;<br />
		border-top: solid 1px #ccc9be;<br />
		border-bottom-width: 1px;<br />
	}</p>
<p>Let me know if this works for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tana</title>
		<link>http://www.idratherbewriting.com/2008/01/31/45-things-i-love-about-flare-31-things-i-hate-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-135181</link>
		<dc:creator>Tana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, thanks for the write up. I have been working with Flare 3.1 and now 4.0 for about 5 months now, and I also have a love/detest list. 

I was particularly struck buy your #14 under what you dont  like: I have yet, after three weeks trying, to get MiniTocs to work. Can you please explain what you mean by your sentences:

&quot;But the topic that the MiniTOC is embedded on can’t be listed in that TOC book or else the MiniTOC won’t show. You do, however, link the TOC book to the topic with the MiniTOC.&quot;

I am unsure what you mean by &quot;TOC book.&quot; Do you mean the outline TOC?

Thank you; I am really hoping you can save me. I am incredibly frustrated with several issues to do with print output in Flare.
tana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thanks for the write up. I have been working with Flare 3.1 and now 4.0 for about 5 months now, and I also have a love/detest list. </p>
<p>I was particularly struck buy your #14 under what you dont  like: I have yet, after three weeks trying, to get MiniTocs to work. Can you please explain what you mean by your sentences:</p>
<p>&#8220;But the topic that the MiniTOC is embedded on can’t be listed in that TOC book or else the MiniTOC won’t show. You do, however, link the TOC book to the topic with the MiniTOC.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am unsure what you mean by &#8220;TOC book.&#8221; Do you mean the outline TOC?</p>
<p>Thank you; I am really hoping you can save me. I am incredibly frustrated with several issues to do with print output in Flare.<br />
tana</p>
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		<title>By: Proxy</title>
		<link>http://www.idratherbewriting.com/2008/01/31/45-things-i-love-about-flare-31-things-i-hate-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-134327</link>
		<dc:creator>Proxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice article, it was very well written and everything up to spec.

Proxys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quietweb.info/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quietweb.info&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice article, it was very well written and everything up to spec.</p>
<p>Proxys last blog post..<a href="http://www.quietweb.info/" rel="nofollow">quietweb.info</a></p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://www.idratherbewriting.com/2008/01/31/45-things-i-love-about-flare-31-things-i-hate-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-133785</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My big pet peeve with Flare?   Why aren&#039;t there any keyboard short-cuts?   Oh to be able to insert a snippet with alt-ctrl-s! (or some other ;))

Rather than the current: (type the text then) open the insert menu, select insert snippet, scroll through the 300 hundred snippets I currently have... 

I&#039;d be so much happier if the common tasks had quick shortcuts that don&#039;t require I switch to mouse-navigation.

That being said, Flare rocks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My big pet peeve with Flare?   Why aren&#8217;t there any keyboard short-cuts?   Oh to be able to insert a snippet with alt-ctrl-s! (or some other <img src='http://www.idratherbewriting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>Rather than the current: (type the text then) open the insert menu, select insert snippet, scroll through the 300 hundred snippets I currently have&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be so much happier if the common tasks had quick shortcuts that don&#8217;t require I switch to mouse-navigation.</p>
<p>That being said, Flare rocks <img src='http://www.idratherbewriting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: promosyon</title>
		<link>http://www.idratherbewriting.com/2008/01/31/45-things-i-love-about-flare-31-things-i-hate-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-133603</link>
		<dc:creator>promosyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link. Sounds like interesting read</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link. Sounds like interesting read</p>
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		<title>By: internet explorer word html conditional coding shows through</title>
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		<dc:creator>internet explorer word html conditional coding shows through</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: writing submissions</title>
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		<dc:creator>writing submissions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;writing submissions...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would totally add that the integration with source control is a gigantic pain. I work with a team of writers and every time that something gets hosed up with the source control (at least once a week), it causes general panic and completely halts our process. It&#039;s also very difficult to get help when these type of issues arise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would totally add that the integration with source control is a gigantic pain. I work with a team of writers and every time that something gets hosed up with the source control (at least once a week), it causes general panic and completely halts our process. It&#8217;s also very difficult to get help when these type of issues arise.</p>
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